Discussion:
Cavatore article and Caesar recipe
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Julia Dream
2004-08-06 02:21:18 UTC
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Sorry for starting yet another thread under this heading. I just couldn't
find the original thread.

There is a newspaper article from the Post-Searchlight in Georgia on the
wall just inside the restaurant. I managed to find it online, and it
includes the recipe for their Caesar salad, so I thought I'd post it here
for y'all to enjoy. I've made it several times now, and it is a good one.
However, I have been using the juice of about 3 small lemons as opposed to
their one (they don't specify large or small, but I like the small ones). I
also don't mince the garlic the way Omar does... yet. ;-) I use my Zyliss
garlic press.

http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=10175846&BRD=2068&PAG=461&dept_id=
387472&rfi=8

Becky
Chris Pando
2004-08-14 13:23:40 UTC
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Post by Julia Dream
There is a newspaper article from the Post-Searchlight in Georgia on the
wall just inside the restaurant. I managed to find it online, and it
includes the recipe for their Caesar salad, so I thought I'd post it here
for y'all to enjoy. I've made it several times now, and it is a good one.
However, I have been using the juice of about 3 small lemons as opposed to
their one (they don't specify large or small, but I like the small ones). I
also don't mince the garlic the way Omar does... yet. ;-) I use my Zyliss
garlic press.
http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=10175846&BRD=2068&PAG=461&dept_id=
387472&rfi=8
Becky
Stirring Up Memories runs weekly in the Bainebridge, Georgia
Post-Searchlight (which is how often the Post-Searchlight is
printed). Roughly 20 (of over 100) are available at
www.stirringupmemories.com Usually a sweet story followed
by a recipe from my mom's (the author) archive. Often
southern (duh!) in emphasis. The caesar recipe is not
specifically from Cavatore's, but you certainly should
ask for Omar.

I will be dagnabbed if I can figure out how you found it with
a search engine. Was it google? and What was your search
argument?

Chris, who says *YES* to raw egg yolk
Julia Dream
2004-08-15 05:24:43 UTC
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"Chris Pando" <***@pando.org> wrote in message news:***@4ax.com...
Stirring Up Memories runs weekly in the Bainebridge, Georgia
Post-Searchlight (which is how often the Post-Searchlight is
printed). Roughly 20 (of over 100) are available at
www.stirringupmemories.com Usually a sweet story followed
by a recipe from my mom's (the author) archive. Often
southern (duh!) in emphasis. The caesar recipe is not
specifically from Cavatore's, but you certainly should
ask for Omar.

I will be dagnabbed if I can figure out how you found it with
a search engine. Was it google? and What was your search
argument?

Chris, who says *YES* to raw egg yolk


I did the search for Post-Searchlight on Metacrawler and it came right up.
I'm confused... it says right there in the recipe part of the article
"Caesar salad a la Cavatore". As we watched our salad being made,
everything on that list went into the bowl. What makes you think the recipe
isn't specifically Cavatore's?

As to the raw egg yolk, I remember my father using raw for years until he
started slightly cooking it by letting it sit in a bowl of boiling hot water
for several minutes before separating the yolk. I, too, used raw a few
times but now slightly cook it. If I make this salad for family/friends, I
have to do it that way or they totally freak out. Bad enough that they wig
on anchovies, but I don't want to scare them away with the raw egg too. lol

Becky
vonroach
2004-08-16 21:04:05 UTC
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Post by Julia Dream
As to the raw egg yolk,
Raw egg was in the original recioe for this salad.
Jack Tyler
2004-08-21 19:54:55 UTC
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Post by Julia Dream
Post by Julia Dream
There is a newspaper article from the Post-Searchlight in Georgia on the
wall just inside the restaurant. I managed to find it online, and it
includes the recipe for their Caesar salad, so I thought I'd post it here
for y'all to enjoy. I've made it several times now, and it is a good one.
However, I have been using the juice of about 3 small lemons as opposed to
their one (they don't specify large or small, but I like the small ones).
I
Post by Julia Dream
Post by Julia Dream
also don't mince the garlic the way Omar does... yet. ;-) I use my Zyliss
garlic press.
http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=10175846&BRD=2068&PAG=461&dept_id
=
Post by Julia Dream
Post by Julia Dream
387472&rfi=8
Becky
Stirring Up Memories runs weekly in the Bainebridge, Georgia
Post-Searchlight (which is how often the Post-Searchlight is
printed). Roughly 20 (of over 100) are available at
www.stirringupmemories.com Usually a sweet story followed
by a recipe from my mom's (the author) archive. Often
southern (duh!) in emphasis. The caesar recipe is not
specifically from Cavatore's, but you certainly should
ask for Omar.
I will be dagnabbed if I can figure out how you found it with
a search engine. Was it google? and What was your search
argument?
Chris, who says *YES* to raw egg yolk
I certainly agree with your "tag" about raw egg yolk. Those who ask for a
Caesar's Salad without raw egg or anchovies are asking for Foie Gras without
liver.

Jack Tyler
Julia Dream
2004-08-22 05:48:19 UTC
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Post by Julia Dream
Post by Julia Dream
There is a newspaper article from the Post-Searchlight in Georgia on the
wall just inside the restaurant. I managed to find it online, and it
includes the recipe for their Caesar salad, so I thought I'd post it here
for y'all to enjoy. I've made it several times now, and it is a good one.
However, I have been using the juice of about 3 small lemons as opposed to
their one (they don't specify large or small, but I like the small ones).
I
Post by Julia Dream
Post by Julia Dream
also don't mince the garlic the way Omar does... yet. ;-) I use my Zyliss
garlic press.
http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=10175846&BRD=2068&PAG=461&dept_id
=
Post by Julia Dream
Post by Julia Dream
387472&rfi=8
Becky
Stirring Up Memories runs weekly in the Bainebridge, Georgia
Post-Searchlight (which is how often the Post-Searchlight is
printed). Roughly 20 (of over 100) are available at
www.stirringupmemories.com Usually a sweet story followed
by a recipe from my mom's (the author) archive. Often
southern (duh!) in emphasis. The caesar recipe is not
specifically from Cavatore's, but you certainly should
ask for Omar.
I will be dagnabbed if I can figure out how you found it with
a search engine. Was it google? and What was your search
argument?
Chris, who says *YES* to raw egg yolk
I certainly agree with your "tag" about raw egg yolk. Those who ask for a
Caesar's Salad without raw egg or anchovies are asking for Foie Gras without
liver.

Jack Tyler



Jack,

It's good to see you still posting here! :-)

I can agree with you about the whole ix-nay on the anchovy deal as I believe
anchovies add depth to the dressing. I have been experimenting in several
ways lately with my recipe, and the one I prepared sans anchovies doesn't
make the grade at all. However, I have made the same salad without the egg
yolk and other than the dressing not quite sticking as well to the lettuce,
it was fine. What is it about the raw-ness of the egg (and is it a raw
whole egg, or just the raw yolk which is what my family has always used?)
that makes the salad for you?

As I said, I have been experimenting with my Caesar dressing. Yesterday,
Gary came home for lunch while I was doing so, this time with pureed roasted
poblano pepper. Gary said it was my best Caesar yet! :-) That being said,
neither of us could tell if it was the pepper that made it so. It did have
a slightly different flavor, but nothing real heavy. Perhaps if I added a
bit more. <rolling hands together, and mad scientist laughter>
heheheheheheheheh

Becky
Julia Dream
2004-08-22 06:24:57 UTC
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"Julia Dream" <***@ev1.net> wrote in message news:***@corp.supernews.com...
What is it about the raw-ness of the egg (and is it a raw
whole egg, or just the raw yolk which is what my family has always used?)
that makes the salad for you?


My apologies for replying to my own post. What I meant say was that my
family *used* to use a raw egg yolk and then went to pouring boiling water
over the egg before separating the yolk (they've *always* used a yolk).
Either way, seems okay. My question really is why raw over slightly cooked,
or none at all, and whole egg over just yolk?

Becky
jeremy
2004-08-22 06:59:01 UTC
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Post by Julia Dream
What is it about the raw-ness of the egg (and is it a raw
whole egg, or just the raw yolk which is what my family has always used?)
that makes the salad for you?
My apologies for replying to my own post. What I meant say was that my
family *used* to use a raw egg yolk and then went to pouring boiling water
over the egg before separating the yolk (they've *always* used a yolk).
Either way, seems okay. My question really is why raw over slightly cooked,
or none at all, and whole egg over just yolk?
Becky
IMO the only reason to be afraid of eggs is if they are battery
produced. Free range, fertilized eggs with real shells have a minuscule
chance of imparting food poisoning, and if they are risky, will smell
bad when you open them. Battery eggs have much more porous shells, none
of the anti-bodies of a fertile egg and are produced in a shower of
chicken shit from unhealthy mobile chicken protoplasm. Then the eggs may
languish for two weeks before making to the store, resulting in an egg
that has begun to lose weight, experience protein breakdown and lose the
effectiveness of the systemic antibiotics imparted by the layer. When
the eggs lose a significant amount of weight, any change in temperature
may cause the shell to start absorbing moisture and the risk of
bacterial infection multiplies radically.

Statistical analysis suggests that brown and "specialty" (read free
range) eggs, spend longer in the sales environment than cheaper battery
eggs, but the shelf life and resistance to contamination of the free
range eggs is superior. To compensate for the battery egg's shorter
shelf life, many producers used to oil the shells to reduce porosity,
but economic necessity has almost eliminated the practice.

The best way to test eggs of any kind is to break them onto a flat
surface. When the proteins have begun to decompose, the albumen will
become runny and the yolk membrane will lose tension. An egg fit to eat
will have an almost hemispherical yolk and two distinct viscosities of
albumen; the first surrounding the yolk at an inch radius, the second an
inch to an inch and a half greater radius. Low grade or old eggs will
have a much flatter yolk, indistinct boundaries between the two grades
of albumen and probably try to run out to the edge of the surface. There
is a reason Denny's uses an egg ring to contain fried eggs during
cooking.

The question of raw over slightly cooked has nothing to do with health
issues, it is a reaction to the inferior quality of the yolk in factory
eggs and an attempt to stiffen the yolk slightly, resulting in better
adhesion in the dressing.

JJ
Julia Dream
2004-08-23 22:16:43 UTC
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Post by Julia Dream
What is it about the raw-ness of the egg (and is it a raw
whole egg, or just the raw yolk which is what my family has always used?)
that makes the salad for you?
My apologies for replying to my own post. What I meant say was that my
family *used* to use a raw egg yolk and then went to pouring boiling water
over the egg before separating the yolk (they've *always* used a yolk).
Either way, seems okay. My question really is why raw over slightly cooked,
or none at all, and whole egg over just yolk?
Becky
IMO the only reason to be afraid of eggs is if they are battery
produced. Free range, fertilized eggs with real shells have a minuscule
chance of imparting food poisoning, and if they are risky, will smell
bad when you open them. Battery eggs have much more porous shells, none
of the anti-bodies of a fertile egg and are produced in a shower of
chicken shit from unhealthy mobile chicken protoplasm. Then the eggs may
languish for two weeks before making to the store, resulting in an egg
that has begun to lose weight, experience protein breakdown and lose the
effectiveness of the systemic antibiotics imparted by the layer. When
the eggs lose a significant amount of weight, any change in temperature
may cause the shell to start absorbing moisture and the risk of
bacterial infection multiplies radically.

Statistical analysis suggests that brown and "specialty" (read free
range) eggs, spend longer in the sales environment than cheaper battery
eggs, but the shelf life and resistance to contamination of the free
range eggs is superior. To compensate for the battery egg's shorter
shelf life, many producers used to oil the shells to reduce porosity,
but economic necessity has almost eliminated the practice.

The best way to test eggs of any kind is to break them onto a flat
surface. When the proteins have begun to decompose, the albumen will
become runny and the yolk membrane will lose tension. An egg fit to eat
will have an almost hemispherical yolk and two distinct viscosities of
albumen; the first surrounding the yolk at an inch radius, the second an
inch to an inch and a half greater radius. Low grade or old eggs will
have a much flatter yolk, indistinct boundaries between the two grades
of albumen and probably try to run out to the edge of the surface. There
is a reason Denny's uses an egg ring to contain fried eggs during
cooking.

The question of raw over slightly cooked has nothing to do with health
issues, it is a reaction to the inferior quality of the yolk in factory
eggs and an attempt to stiffen the yolk slightly, resulting in better
adhesion in the dressing.

JJ

Thank you, Jeremy, for that scientific and slightly graphic ("a shower of
chicken shit", eeeew!) reply. lol I've thought about going back to using a
raw egg yolk, so will seek out free range, fertilized eggs. I saw some
Central Market organic eggs the other day at H.E.B., but don't know recall
if they were free range or fertilized. I imagine Whole Foods will have
them, though. Thanks again! :-)

Becky

ToLo
2004-08-22 15:24:40 UTC
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Post by Julia Dream
What is it about the raw-ness of the egg (and is it a raw
whole egg, or just the raw yolk which is what my family has always used?)
that makes the salad for you?
My apologies for replying to my own post. What I meant say was that my
family *used* to use a raw egg yolk and then went to pouring boiling water
over the egg before separating the yolk (they've *always* used a yolk).
Either way, seems okay. My question really is why raw over slightly cooked,
or none at all, and whole egg over just yolk?
Becky
Here is the FDA site page about Shell Eggs.

http://www.fsis.usda.gov/OA/pubs/shelleggs.htm
Frank F. Matthews
2004-08-22 15:54:00 UTC
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Post by ToLo
Post by Julia Dream
What is it about the raw-ness of the egg (and is it a raw
whole egg, or just the raw yolk which is what my family has always used?)
that makes the salad for you?
My apologies for replying to my own post. What I meant say was that my
family *used* to use a raw egg yolk and then went to pouring boiling water
over the egg before separating the yolk (they've *always* used a yolk).
Either way, seems okay. My question really is why raw over slightly cooked,
or none at all, and whole egg over just yolk?
Becky
Here is the FDA site page about Shell Eggs.
http://www.fsis.usda.gov/OA/pubs/shelleggs.htm
It's interesting that they still refuse to provide any statistics on the
incidence of Salmonella infestation. I suspect that they are trying to
obfuscate over their failure to contain the problem.
jeremy
2004-08-23 01:55:26 UTC
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Post by Frank F. Matthews
Post by ToLo
Here is the FDA site page about Shell Eggs.
http://www.fsis.usda.gov/OA/pubs/shelleggs.htm
It's interesting that they still refuse to provide any statistics on the
incidence of Salmonella infestation. I suspect that they are trying to
obfuscate over their failure to contain the problem.
Neither chickens nor eggs inherently contain salmonella and what they
are trying to do is obscure the unsanitary aspects of battery farming
and Tyson meat processing. They mention in one part, that infection may
occur in the chicken when passing through the cloaca, but later refer to
a protective coating that protects the egg while in the chicken and that
later may be damaged.

The only other thing that they insist upon that I would take issue with,
is that fertilized eggs are no different from infertile, and that is not
exactly true although their method of measuring the nutritional value
indicates no difference. It is akin to saying that homo milk is exactly
the same as whole milk and equally as stupid.

JJ
Jack Tyler
2004-08-22 17:39:48 UTC
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Post by Julia Dream
It's good to see you still posting here! :-)
I can agree with you about the whole ix-nay on the anchovy deal as I believe
anchovies add depth to the dressing. I have been experimenting in several
ways lately with my recipe, and the one I prepared sans anchovies doesn't
make the grade at all. However, I have made the same salad without the egg
yolk and other than the dressing not quite sticking as well to the lettuce,
it was fine. What is it about the raw-ness of the egg (and is it a raw
whole egg, or just the raw yolk which is what my family has always used?)
that makes the salad for you?
As I said, I have been experimenting with my Caesar dressing. Yesterday,
Gary came home for lunch while I was doing so, this time with pureed roasted
poblano pepper. Gary said it was my best Caesar yet! :-) That being said,
neither of us could tell if it was the pepper that made it so. It did have
a slightly different flavor, but nothing real heavy. Perhaps if I added a
bit more. <rolling hands together, and mad scientist laughter>
heheheheheheheheh
Becky
Thank you about the posting part. I stopped for a while, as it had become
so nasty and combative here. It looks like those delinquent children are
gone, however.

The only thing that makes the raw egg necessary, in the minds of many
people, is the perception that Caesar Cardini in Tijuana, who many claim
invented the salad which is named after him (Caesar's Salad), made it that
way. I just believe in preparing food per the original recipe, whenever
possible, if you are going to call it by the original name. Certainly, I
have no great love for raw egg.... but if that's what goes into a true
Caesar's Salad, then it's raw eggs for me. Most recipe's attributed to
Cardini, however, called for boiled eggs.... NOT raw eggs.

It's kind of like "chicken fajitas". Fajitas are called that because of the
"faja", or thin muscular lining of the stomach of a cow. You can call
sliced, grilled chicken breasts fajitas all day long, but it doesn't make it
"fajitas".

Back to Caesar. Knowing what we know now, it's debatable whether a Caesar's
Salad made with raw egg is a very safe thing to eat.... especially in
Mexico. Also, it is widely believed that the salad was actually made first
by an Italian-American chef in the New York Cafe in Chicago... in honor of
his hero, Julius Caesar.

Either way, I like the way the raw egg makes the other ingredients bond to
the romaine lettuce.

Jack Tyler
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